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Re: [orca-list] Orca and Firefox 57

Joanmarie Diggs
Hi Pavel.

I hope you don't mind my CCing the Orca list since maybe other people
are wondering the same thing.

Regarding Firefox 57 and Windows: Linux is not Windows. Unless something
has changed about which I am unaware, Orca should continue to work with
Firefox. I use Orca with Firefox Nightly which is currently in version
58. Still works for me. I've not had to make any special "new firefox"
modifications to Orca. And again, as far as I am aware, there are no
such modifications for me to make. If you are experiencing something
different, please let me know.

Thanks!
--joanie

On 11/09/2017 12:29 AM, Pavel Vlček wrote:

> Dear Joanie,
>
> Firefox 57 is coming on 14th November. Developers changed access to
> assistive technologies and Windows screen reader users must now disable
> Firefox updates, because it is inaccessible at this time. So my question
> is, will Orca work with new Firefox 57 and if so, what version of Orca
> will be ready for new Firefox?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Pavel
>
>
>

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Re: [orca-list] Orca and Firefox 57

chris Gilland-2
Joanie,
 
I'm curious,
 
Do you have the steps necessary, or does anyone else, for that mind, to make Chrome work with Orca? I've heard it can be done, or is that not true? I'm wonderring if people actually were using Chromevox, not Orca.
---
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Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 
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Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 9:06 AM
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca and Firefox 57

Hi Pavel.

I hope you don't mind my CCing the Orca list since maybe other people
are wondering the same thing.

Regarding Firefox 57 and Windows: Linux is not Windows. Unless something
has changed about which I am unaware, Orca should continue to work with
Firefox. I use Orca with Firefox Nightly which is currently in version
58. Still works for me. I've not had to make any special "new firefox"
modifications to Orca. And again, as far as I am aware, there are no
such modifications for me to make. If you are experiencing something
different, please let me know.

Thanks!
--joanie

On 11/09/2017 12:29 AM, Pavel Vlček wrote:

> Dear Joanie,
>
> Firefox 57 is coming on 14th November. Developers changed access to
> assistive technologies and Windows screen reader users must now disable
> Firefox updates, because it is inaccessible at this time. So my question
> is, will Orca work with new Firefox 57 and if so, what version of Orca
> will be ready for new Firefox?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Pavel
>
>
>

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Re: [orca-list] Orca and Firefox 57

Peter Vágner-3

Hello,
Chrome is not yet accessible to orca.
I can remember Bill Cox talking about a few developers interested in improving chromium accessibility on linux, however I am unable to find out how much has changed since that time and if the changes are available to the general public yet.

I would say those who are using chrome are using it with chromevox.

Greetings

Peter


Dňa 9. 11. 2017 10:08 PM používateľ "Christopher-Mark Gilland" <[hidden email]> napísal:
Joanie,
 
I'm curious,
 
Do you have the steps necessary, or does anyone else, for that mind, to make Chrome work with Orca? I've heard it can be done, or is that not true? I'm wonderring if people actually were using Chromevox, not Orca.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 9:06 AM
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca and Firefox 57

Hi Pavel.

I hope you don't mind my CCing the Orca list since maybe other people
are wondering the same thing.

Regarding Firefox 57 and Windows: Linux is not Windows. Unless something
has changed about which I am unaware, Orca should continue to work with
Firefox. I use Orca with Firefox Nightly which is currently in version
58. Still works for me. I've not had to make any special "new firefox"
modifications to Orca. And again, as far as I am aware, there are no
such modifications for me to make. If you are experiencing something
different, please let me know.

Thanks!
--joanie

On 11/09/2017 12:29 AM, Pavel Vlček wrote:

> Dear Joanie,
>
> Firefox 57 is coming on 14th November. Developers changed access to
> assistive technologies and Windows screen reader users must now disable
> Firefox updates, because it is inaccessible at this time. So my question
> is, will Orca work with new Firefox 57 and if so, what version of Orca
> will be ready for new Firefox?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Pavel
>
>
>

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Re: [orca-list] Orca and Firefox 57

Peter Vágner-3
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Hello,

Finally I have been prompted to keep running nightly version of Firefox for my day to day browsing so hopefully in the future I might be able to notice possible accessibility issues sooner than later.

Both Firefox 57 stable and Firefox 59 nightly are working fine for me and what I'm describing in this post appear to work the same way in both these versions although I can't prove it performance improvements on Firefox are also noticeable when running Firefox 59 with orca.

The positive news is that infinity scrolling has been changed in a way that I can just keep pressing arrow keys when navigating with orca running and Firefox scrolls the parts I am navigating to into view.
I have first noticed this with a riot.im chat app as its room timeline is designed to scroll infinitelly. I was able to verify this at other pages e.g. Facebook. Note how Facebook issues notification saying something loaded more events when you are navigating by headings in the timeline.
Depending on your situation I would say this is such a dramatic change that a lot of people would wish to update to Firefox 57!

However I have so far also noticed one negative change. When using Firefox built-in find dialog to search for content orca used to present the match highlighted in the content view when pressing the enter key inside the find dialog. After upgrading to Firefox 57 this appears to be very random and most of the times orca is not reporting the search result as its being highlighted. When pressing esc key to dismiss the find dialog the line with the last search hit is preselected so I fail to understand what's going on wrong here. Joanie, please please can you try looking at it if you can understand this better and possibly suggest if there is a way to improve this?

Greetings

Peter




2017-11-09 15:06 GMT+01:00 Joanmarie Diggs <[hidden email]>:
Hi Pavel.

I hope you don't mind my CCing the Orca list since maybe other people
are wondering the same thing.

Regarding Firefox 57 and Windows: Linux is not Windows. Unless something
has changed about which I am unaware, Orca should continue to work with
Firefox. I use Orca with Firefox Nightly which is currently in version
58. Still works for me. I've not had to make any special "new firefox"
modifications to Orca. And again, as far as I am aware, there are no
such modifications for me to make. If you are experiencing something
different, please let me know.

Thanks!
--joanie

On 11/09/2017 12:29 AM, Pavel Vlček wrote:
> Dear Joanie,
>
> Firefox 57 is coming on 14th November. Developers changed access to
> assistive technologies and Windows screen reader users must now disable
> Firefox updates, because it is inaccessible at this time. So my question
> is, will Orca work with new Firefox 57 and if so, what version of Orca
> will be ready for new Firefox?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Pavel
>
>
>

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Re: [orca-list] Orca and Firefox 57

Joanmarie Diggs
I'll take a look. Thanks!
--joanie

On 11/20/2017 06:07 AM, Peter Vágner wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Finally I have been prompted to keep running nightly version of Firefox
> for my day to day browsing so hopefully in the future I might be able to
> notice possible accessibility issues sooner than later.
>
> Both Firefox 57 stable and Firefox 59 nightly are working fine for me
> and what I'm describing in this post appear to work the same way in both
> these versions although I can't prove it performance improvements on
> Firefox are also noticeable when running Firefox 59 with orca.
>
> The positive news is that infinity scrolling has been changed in a way
> that I can just keep pressing arrow keys when navigating with orca
> running and Firefox scrolls the parts I am navigating to into view.
> I have first noticed this with a riot.im <http://riot.im> chat app as
> its room timeline is designed to scroll infinitelly. I was able to
> verify this at other pages e.g. Facebook. Note how Facebook issues
> notification saying something loaded more events when you are navigating
> by headings in the timeline.
> Depending on your situation I would say this is such a dramatic change
> that a lot of people would wish to update to Firefox 57!
>
> However I have so far also noticed one negative change. When using
> Firefox built-in find dialog to search for content orca used to present
> the match highlighted in the content view when pressing the enter key
> inside the find dialog. After upgrading to Firefox 57 this appears to be
> very random and most of the times orca is not reporting the search
> result as its being highlighted. When pressing esc key to dismiss the
> find dialog the line with the last search hit is preselected so I fail
> to understand what's going on wrong here. Joanie, please please can you
> try looking at it if you can understand this better and possibly suggest
> if there is a way to improve this?
>
> Greetings
>
> Peter
>
>
>
>
> 2017-11-09 15:06 GMT+01:00 Joanmarie Diggs <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>>:
>
>     Hi Pavel.
>
>     I hope you don't mind my CCing the Orca list since maybe other people
>     are wondering the same thing.
>
>     Regarding Firefox 57 and Windows: Linux is not Windows. Unless something
>     has changed about which I am unaware, Orca should continue to work with
>     Firefox. I use Orca with Firefox Nightly which is currently in version
>     58. Still works for me. I've not had to make any special "new firefox"
>     modifications to Orca. And again, as far as I am aware, there are no
>     such modifications for me to make. If you are experiencing something
>     different, please let me know.
>
>     Thanks!
>     --joanie
>
>     On 11/09/2017 12:29 AM, Pavel Vlček wrote:
>     > Dear Joanie,
>     >
>     > Firefox 57 is coming on 14th November. Developers changed access to
>     > assistive technologies and Windows screen reader users must now
>     disable
>     > Firefox updates, because it is inaccessible at this time. So my
>     question
>     > is, will Orca work with new Firefox 57 and if so, what version of Orca
>     > will be ready for new Firefox?
>     >
>     > Thanks,
>     >
>     > Pavel
>     >
>     >
>     >
>
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Re: [orca-list] Orca and Firefox 57

Alex ARNAUD-3
Le 20/11/2017 à 13:42, Joanmarie Diggs a écrit :
> The positive news is that infinity scrolling has been changed in a way
> that I can just keep pressing arrow keys when navigating with orca
> running and Firefox scrolls the parts I am navigating to into view.

I'm happy to discover that fix made by Samuel Thibault for Hypra helps
the community :) !
It's the bug 1170242 : https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1170242

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Visual-Impairment Project Manager
Hypra - "Humanizing technology"
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Re: [orca-list] Orca and Firefox 57

Peter Vágner-3
Hello,

Thanks Alex for mentioning this and huge huge thanks Samuel for making it happen.
This is what's so amazing about open-source software and the community efforts.
Yeah, what an amazing feeling!

Greetings

Peter


2017-11-20 14:35 GMT+01:00 Alex ARNAUD <[hidden email]>:
Le 20/11/2017 à 13:42, Joanmarie Diggs a écrit :
The positive news is that infinity scrolling has been changed in a way
that I can just keep pressing arrow keys when navigating with orca
running and Firefox scrolls the parts I am navigating to into view.

I'm happy to discover that fix made by Samuel Thibault for Hypra helps the community :) !
It's the bug 1170242 : https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1170242

Best regards.
--
Alex ARNAUD
Visual-Impairment Project Manager
Hypra - "Humanizing technology"


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Re: [orca-list] Orca and Firefox 57

Joanmarie Diggs
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Hi Peter.

Regarding this:

On 11/20/2017 06:07 AM, Peter Vágner wrote:

> However I have so far also noticed one negative change. When using Firefox
> built-in find dialog to search for content orca used to present the match
> highlighted in the content view when pressing the enter key inside the find
> dialog. After upgrading to Firefox 57 this appears to be very random and
> most of the times orca is not reporting the search result as its being
> highlighted.

Orca used to be notified when the selection changed as a result of find.
Now it does not. <insert sigh here> I believe I'm working around this
now. Please let me know.

Thanks!
--joanie
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